Ungoogled chromium, or firefox?

Not necessarily looking for perfection, just the lesser of two evils.

I’m wondering, which one is easiest to harden, and if ungoogled chromium is really ungoogled.

I went with Vivaldi browser, it is much more fuctional than any of the other chrome-based browsers, if you are not into the political ‘google is evil yada-yada’, then I recommend it, still blink engine, but at least they put some effort into it.

As for the ungoogleling, it is ungoogled enough that there is no google translate baked in it, sure there is google and bing search engines out of the box, but you can remove them with 2 clicks. I mean, Firefox puts google as default engine, so, whatever.

They have their on sync system, email with some PGP, nothing fancy, it works, you can install chrome extensions if you need them.

I’m not a fanboy nor promoting, just giving my reasons of why I use it as default.

Cheers.

I recommend Firefox with the uBlock Origin, Temporary Containers and the NoScript
plugins. Privacytools.io have some interesting info on improving Firefox privacy https://www.privacytools.io/browsers/#about_config. I would not recommend Vivaldi because it is proprietary software and thus in my personal opinion not trustworthy.

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I’d agree with @Red, I would like to minimise proprietary software on my system if I can.

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any thoughts about the “brave” browser? i’ve been quite happy using it. switched from firefox after i found out that with my usual ~20 open tabs it drains a lot of resources. brave seems pretty good so far.

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Welcome Random,

I did like Brave, if you are into that rewards system they have, it is nice, I just liked Vivaldi better, ha, but it is basically the same as any other chrome-based browser, you do not really need more than one, so I just picked my favorite.

I still use chromium synced to a google account, my android phone is to be blamed for that, so I just use the browser to manage my contacts and stuff like that. As soon as I get an Ubuntu / Sailfish / ‘e’; bye bye chromium.

Don’t get me wrong, I still have Firefox installed, it is just not my favorite anymore.

Cheers

i’ve been using a modif version of ffx with all sync parameters off, trying to find the ung00gld & unmoz way

i just read somewhere that tor is starting to use firefox engine…

but i still prefer brave for now.

it’s also “the easiest to harden” since it requires no configuration to be “hard enough”. but it all depends on what you mean by “hard”.

to me it’s not at all about privacy. i just don’t want to give any kind of value to any group that is not really trying to be sustainable and transparent, so i delete google. the privacy bubble is just a minor symptom.

and brave, imho, seem to be right now the one with better sustainability plans, both for itself and for its whole production chain.

i also don’t have a desktop, nor do i want one, so i only care about android browsers.

funny enough, most of all those options are not on f droid or even as standalone…

anyway:

  • removing ads and trackers make the web sensibly faster. this is a huge deal.

  • it also gives another much better direct incentive for websites to use instead of ads, which is another huge deal, if it ever catches on.

  • and it offers enough ways to backup most of my data, such as passwords and bookmarks. i think most browsers do, but certainly not all of them. firefox didn’t have any way to sync tabs last time i checked, for instance. (sadly, nobody is doing tabs and history the way it should be done, together and backed up automatically).

just my couple of cents.

Try LibreWolf. It’s a prehardened Firefox with all of the “phone home to Mozilla” features disabled. Windows support is still experimental but it works perfectly in Linux.
https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/

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Lmao don’t feed but Why you don’t use w3m in terminal like one xterm. You can have some results on Duckduckgo ! If you hate google.

I recommend replacing uBO and noScript with one universal uMatrix addon - it’s far superior to them.
As for the post’s topic, I suggest Pale Moon as it is the browser with maximum customizability options(XUL is superior!). It has it’s own problems tho, so if you install it, it’s better to run with internet access off for the first time since the start page connects to G.
But after you disable the malicious settings and install the extencions needed, it’s the best web browser out there!

This link might be informative, though possibly a bit biased:
[ How to choose a browser for everyday use? ]

Firefox - at least by default - is not usable for privacy-aware users. Sea Monkey is not actually bad - no phoning home at all with a little tweaking. Tor Browser is of course okay (except its default settings are not so strict). Just imho.

EDIT: link fixed

I’d recommended Firefox with some tweaks to avoid contributing to Google’s web monopoly. If you don’t like Mozilla or think Firefox has too much telemetry, I’d go for Librewolf.

LibreWolf is a respectable browser, a practically good choice too. That said, it calls r3.o.lencr.org (Let’s Encrypt) - even if you disabled Query OCSP - and “f.s.s.m.c.qjz9zk” in the background. The second is mostly harmless as it’s an invalid URL (except DNS query is logged).

SeaMonkey portable can be make it so that there are zero background connections at tall.

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Wow. I didn’t know about that. Isn’t Let’s Encrypt a privacy friendly organization though? I thought the EFF funded it and is involved. Thanks for telling me about it though!

Speaking of LibreWolf, you (or whomever, considering this is an older thread) might want to check out FireDragon. It’s a LibreWolf fork (which is a Firefox fork so FF addons, sync, etc. all work out of the box) that includes some excellent added features that really enhance the overall experience quite a bit.

Here’s a link to the developers post about it (in addition to the one above) on the Garuda Linux forum (where he’s also a dev) that covers some of the added features but there’s even more, like support for multiple PiP windows, which is a personal favorite since I’m working with quad monitors. Garuda Linux happens to be my OS of choice (based on Arch, BTW :rofl:), with which FireDragon comes packaged as the default browser. Highly recommended. I credit it for finally weaning me off of Chromium-based browsers (for the most part. I still have to use one on occasion, in which case depending on the device/machine I’m on, it’ll likely either be Bromite or a modified Vivaldi Snapshot)

The truth is that most browsers can be hardened sufficiently depending on your use case and risk/threat profile. Some just come this way more or less by default with little end-user configuration needed.

@paulson Interesting, thanks for the info :slight_smile:
I may actually try it out, I mean FireDragon.
Though, like you said, standard browsers like Tor Browser is really good enough already… especially if uBlock is added.

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I recommend Abrowser. Why? As written on Trisquel website:
„Abrowser is Trisquel’s version of Mozilla’s popular web browser with the trademarked logos replaced. Replacing the trademarked logos gets rid of the trademark restriction that forbids selling the software, which would have effectively made it non-free software.”

https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/abrowser-help

Interesting. I am aware of a number of Firefox Forks, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox just to name a few but I’d never heard of Abrowser. I’m not currently experiencing any shortage of web browsers but I’ll have to check it out all the same. It’s going to be hard for it to top FireDragon on my list of Gecko-based browsers but I’m always game to throw another good browser in the mix. Plus I like the name. it’s simple yet kind of clever

Yes Brave does work, for non-serious fun stuff, I didn’t mind it, and I used the nightly-alpha edition, it neve broke or crashed anything. After the recent news and development about the g,engine … I have a hard time accepting all the tolerated crap from Google, they have gone way too far.
In terms of resources Brave and any google engined fork is not that great, maybe better than vanilla firefox, but still not good. All google based browsers have a hard time with firejail, or other containing solutions, or even running from chroot. They reach deep into your system beyond the graphical layer. It is almost as a subsystem of an operating system and needs direct access to low level resources. Watch it!

Is mozilla any better? No, hasn’t been the mozilla we once knew, but compared to google take over of your system … mozilla forks must be the least of all those other evils.

I am using librewolf which is a million times more functional than icecat. NoScript UBlock-origin and dark-reader are the only plugins I use.

It works great with everything on disroot

It may be worth your time to read these two documents on browser choice, sad but accurate:

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/browsers.html

https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/browsers.html